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		<title>Mcr: /* Michael's dead laptop story */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Michael&amp;#039;s dead laptop story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l48&quot; &gt;Line 48:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope to RMA my disk and 802.11abg this month... 6 months later.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope to RMA my disk and 802.11abg this month... 6 months later.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Mcr at 18:49, 15 April 2006</title>
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		<updated>2006-04-15T18:49:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is a personal story about my laptop. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is a personal story about my laptop. &amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope to RMA my disk and 802.11abg this month... 6 months later.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope to RMA my disk and 802.11abg this month... 6 months later.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Mcr at 18:48, 15 April 2006</title>
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		<updated>2006-04-15T18:48:26Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Michael's story *&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is a personal story about my laptop. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I received my T42 2373 model laptop in August 2004. I needed a replacement laptop&lt;br /&gt;
somewhat urgently after a Toshiba Satellite that I had used since 2000 toasted its &lt;br /&gt;
north bridge while at H2K2.  As such, there were some details that I didn't worry about, such as the brand (or presence) of the Atheros 802.11abg adapter in the unit. I am not a fan of devices that require binary-only HALs, and I don't buy 90% of the FUD coming from the wireless&lt;br /&gt;
makers about having to comply with regulations --- they could have found a smarter way to do this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But, changing or omitting the adapter would have required some kind of custom system build&lt;br /&gt;
vs getting a unit shipped to me from stock, and I was in a rush. (Still took three weeks... vs 9 weeks!) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have a CableTron Systems PRISM 2 802.11b adapter that I've used in three laptops that I bought&lt;br /&gt;
at an IETF meeting back in 1998 or so. It has served me well, and frankly, there is never&lt;br /&gt;
any mystery about whether or not I meant to use the wireless: if it is plugged in then I want to use it. If I remove it, try the wires. (ifplugd does all of that for me)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In October 2005, I had reached a stable point in my kernel use (I do kernel development), so&lt;br /&gt;
I figured I'd try the madwifi driver. It installed relatively easily, and seemed to work just fine.&lt;br /&gt;
While I work at home most days, I tend to be out on Friday's, and when I return home on Friday, my laptop goes on the kitchen table for the weekend, descending back to my office on Monday morning. That way, any work that I happen to do on the weekend is in the company of my wife and child.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That weekend, I got the wireless working on Friday night and I used the laptop a bunch over the weekend. On monday, I sat down to pack the laptop up so that I could travel to a client's site. Strangely, my irc windows were disconnected, and my remote Xterms had disappeared. Hmm. What's with my network? Did my wireless router crash? Well. I had to go so I typed 'poweroff' and packed it up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When I got to the client site, I attempted to turn the laptop on. It didn't.&lt;br /&gt;
The CPU fan made noise. That was all. I tried again. Same thing. I pulled batteries and&lt;br /&gt;
power cords, and let it sit, thinking it needed a full powerfail. Nothing. I then got some tools&lt;br /&gt;
and opened it up. (This client builds custom ppc405 based linux platforms... lots of tools).&lt;br /&gt;
Nothing obviously wrong. I hadn't before taken the system completely apart. I did notice that&lt;br /&gt;
the wifi is right under the mouse pad, and right about the north bridge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I went home. I used the wife's desktop to reach www.ibm.com, and found a service place only&lt;br /&gt;
blocks from my house. They were closed until after lunch. I took my wife and kid out to lunch&lt;br /&gt;
and tried not to swear too much. (I was travelling that Friday!)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The system got repaired no questions asked: they replaced the system board and the keyboard.&lt;br /&gt;
The new keyboard didn't quite feel the same. (Still doesn't). I pulled the hard disk out to&lt;br /&gt;
plug into another server case while I waited for the repair. (I did the same thing when the Toshiba died, and had all of the right connectors/adapters already). The disk was dead.&lt;br /&gt;
I bought a new disk (I have yet to RMA the dead disk) and re-installed and restored from backups, and was functionaly by mid-afternoon. I got the T42 back on Wednesday afternoon, and inserted&lt;br /&gt;
the new disk, and all was well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, almost. I noticed a week later that my 802.11abg card was dead. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In telling this story to someone (I don't recall who now), I was informed that some versions&lt;br /&gt;
of the madwifi driver possibly run the Atheros 802.11abg too hot, and this can toast the &lt;br /&gt;
north bridge. I don't know. It sounds plausible to me. North bridge goes... so does power regulation. Could that take out the hard disk too? Maybe. Seems unlikely. Maybe I toasted&lt;br /&gt;
it plugging it in, but that also seems unlikely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So, I'm leaving this note on the wiki. Maybe there are others with this experience.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope to RMA my disk and 802.11abg this month... 6 months later.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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