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Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2007-04-08T14:47:42Z

Zacha: /* Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware */

==Problem Description==

When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.

==Affected Models==
* ThinkPad {{T43}}, {{T43p}}
* ThinkPad {{R52}}
* ThinkPad {{X41}}, {{X41T}}

==Affected Operating Systems==

The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.

==Status==

The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.

Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad {{T43}} models 26xx, BIOS version [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-58597#bios 1.24 or higher]).

There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.

* [http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?&lndocid=MIGR-60169 IBM problem discussion]

==Solutions==

===Disable the message===

A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under <tt>Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...</tt>). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.

===Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts===

Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.

===Upgrade the drive firmware===

IBM provides firmware upgrades ([http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41008 old], [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282 new]) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.

====Drives that work out of the box====
* Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]; see [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=195619#195619 here] too).
* Fujitsu MHV2060AH (060GB 5400RPM)
* Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Fujitsu MHV2120AH (120GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.27

{{WARN|Even drives with identical part numbers may carry firmware with different compatibility status, so do not blindly rely on this list.}}

====Drives that will work after a firmware update====
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.

* Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/fwhd3318.exe this firmware update]
* Hitachi 5K100 and 7K100 drives using [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 this instructions]. This has been verified and seems to work correctly on all drives if applied in the right way.

This picture is showing two identical drives, one docked into the ultrabay (not updated) and the other one in the primary slot showing up with the IBM ("I") and not the OEM firmware.
[[Image:Updated_drive.jpg]]

====Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware====
* Hitachi DJSA-220
* Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00
* Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM)

The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:

* Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
* Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
* Toshiba MK1032GAX (100GB 5400RPM)

It has been [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=101863#101863 reported] that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.

===Use an Ultrabay adapter===

You can use most PATA drives through an [[UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter]] (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.

===BIOS downgrade===

''Tell IT systems'' is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide [http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php instructions] (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad {{R52}} and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=13113#112153 here]. '''This procedure is not recommended'''. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the [[Talk:Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks#Downgrade_the_BIOS_to_v1.01|discussion page]].

==Links==

* Discussion about [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=11059 Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads] at thinkpads.com.

* Guide on [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW] at thinkpads.com. ''Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works''.

Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2007-04-08T14:46:23Z

Zacha: /* Drives that will work after a firmware update */

==Problem Description==

When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.

==Affected Models==
* ThinkPad {{T43}}, {{T43p}}
* ThinkPad {{R52}}
* ThinkPad {{X41}}, {{X41T}}

==Affected Operating Systems==

The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.

==Status==

The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.

Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad {{T43}} models 26xx, BIOS version [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-58597#bios 1.24 or higher]).

There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.

* [http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?&lndocid=MIGR-60169 IBM problem discussion]

==Solutions==

===Disable the message===

A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under <tt>Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...</tt>). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.

===Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts===

Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.

===Upgrade the drive firmware===

IBM provides firmware upgrades ([http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41008 old], [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282 new]) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.

====Drives that work out of the box====
* Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]; see [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=195619#195619 here] too).
* Fujitsu MHV2060AH (060GB 5400RPM)
* Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Fujitsu MHV2120AH (120GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.27

{{WARN|Even drives with identical part numbers may carry firmware with different compatibility status, so do not blindly rely on this list.}}

====Drives that will work after a firmware update====
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.

* Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/fwhd3318.exe this firmware update]
* Hitachi 5K100 and 7K100 drives using [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 this instructions]. This has been verified and seems to work correctly on all drives if applied in the right way.

This picture is showing two identical drives, one docked into the ultrabay (not updated) and the other one in the primary slot showing up with the IBM ("I") and not the OEM firmware.
[[Image:Updated_drive.jpg]]

====Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware====
* Hitachi HTS541010M9AT00 (100GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi DJSA-220
* Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00
* Hitachi HTS721080G9AT00 (7K100 80GB 7200RPM)
* Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM)

The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:

* Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
* Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
* Toshiba MK1032GAX (100GB 5400RPM)

It has been [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=101863#101863 reported] that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.

===Use an Ultrabay adapter===

You can use most PATA drives through an [[UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter]] (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.

===BIOS downgrade===

''Tell IT systems'' is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide [http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php instructions] (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad {{R52}} and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=13113#112153 here]. '''This procedure is not recommended'''. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the [[Talk:Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks#Downgrade_the_BIOS_to_v1.01|discussion page]].

==Links==

* Discussion about [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=11059 Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads] at thinkpads.com.

* Guide on [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW] at thinkpads.com. ''Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works''.

Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2007-04-08T14:44:35Z

Zacha: /* Drives that will work after a firmware update */

==Problem Description==

When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.

==Affected Models==
* ThinkPad {{T43}}, {{T43p}}
* ThinkPad {{R52}}
* ThinkPad {{X41}}, {{X41T}}

==Affected Operating Systems==

The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.

==Status==

The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.

Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad {{T43}} models 26xx, BIOS version [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-58597#bios 1.24 or higher]).

There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.

* [http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?&lndocid=MIGR-60169 IBM problem discussion]

==Solutions==

===Disable the message===

A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under <tt>Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...</tt>). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.

===Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts===

Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.

===Upgrade the drive firmware===

IBM provides firmware upgrades ([http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41008 old], [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282 new]) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.

====Drives that work out of the box====
* Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]; see [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=195619#195619 here] too).
* Fujitsu MHV2060AH (060GB 5400RPM)
* Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Fujitsu MHV2120AH (120GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.27

{{WARN|Even drives with identical part numbers may carry firmware with different compatibility status, so do not blindly rely on this list.}}

====Drives that will work after a firmware update====
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.

* Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/fwhd3318.exe this firmware update]
* Hitachi 5K100 and 7K100 drives using [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 this instructions]. This has been verified and seems to work correctly on all drives if applied in the right way.

This picture is showing two identical drives, one docked into the ultrabay (not updated) and the other one in the primary slot showing up with the IBM ("I") and not the OEM firmware.
[[Image:updated_drive]]

====Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware====
* Hitachi HTS541010M9AT00 (100GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi DJSA-220
* Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00
* Hitachi HTS721080G9AT00 (7K100 80GB 7200RPM)
* Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM)

The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:

* Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
* Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
* Toshiba MK1032GAX (100GB 5400RPM)

It has been [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=101863#101863 reported] that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.

===Use an Ultrabay adapter===

You can use most PATA drives through an [[UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter]] (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.

===BIOS downgrade===

''Tell IT systems'' is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide [http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php instructions] (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad {{R52}} and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=13113#112153 here]. '''This procedure is not recommended'''. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the [[Talk:Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks#Downgrade_the_BIOS_to_v1.01|discussion page]].

==Links==

* Discussion about [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=11059 Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads] at thinkpads.com.

* Guide on [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW] at thinkpads.com. ''Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works''.

Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2007-04-08T14:44:07Z

Zacha: /* Drives that will work after a firmware update */

==Problem Description==

When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.

==Affected Models==
* ThinkPad {{T43}}, {{T43p}}
* ThinkPad {{R52}}
* ThinkPad {{X41}}, {{X41T}}

==Affected Operating Systems==

The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.

==Status==

The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.

Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad {{T43}} models 26xx, BIOS version [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-58597#bios 1.24 or higher]).

There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.

* [http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?&lndocid=MIGR-60169 IBM problem discussion]

==Solutions==

===Disable the message===

A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under <tt>Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...</tt>). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.

===Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts===

Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.

===Upgrade the drive firmware===

IBM provides firmware upgrades ([http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41008 old], [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282 new]) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.

====Drives that work out of the box====
* Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]; see [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=195619#195619 here] too).
* Fujitsu MHV2060AH (060GB 5400RPM)
* Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Fujitsu MHV2120AH (120GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.27

{{WARN|Even drives with identical part numbers may carry firmware with different compatibility status, so do not blindly rely on this list.}}

====Drives that will work after a firmware update====
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.

* Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/fwhd3318.exe this firmware update]
* Hitachi 5K100 and 7K100 drives using [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 this instructions]. This has been verified and seems to work correctly on all drives if applied in the right way.

This picture is showing two identical drives, one docked into the ultrabay (not updated) and the other one in the primary slot showing up with the IBM ("I") and not the OEM firmware.
[[Image:updated drive]]

====Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware====
* Hitachi HTS541010M9AT00 (100GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi DJSA-220
* Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00
* Hitachi HTS721080G9AT00 (7K100 80GB 7200RPM)
* Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM)

The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:

* Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
* Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
* Toshiba MK1032GAX (100GB 5400RPM)

It has been [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=101863#101863 reported] that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.

===Use an Ultrabay adapter===

You can use most PATA drives through an [[UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter]] (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.

===BIOS downgrade===

''Tell IT systems'' is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide [http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php instructions] (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad {{R52}} and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=13113#112153 here]. '''This procedure is not recommended'''. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the [[Talk:Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks#Downgrade_the_BIOS_to_v1.01|discussion page]].

==Links==

* Discussion about [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=11059 Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads] at thinkpads.com.

* Guide on [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW] at thinkpads.com. ''Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works''.

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