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Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2009-04-04T08:52:17Z

Daniel2342: /* 160GB drives */ added direct link to buy hd

I replaced my R52's Hard disk by ST9100823A 100G/5400, when the system stared, it shows error information.

How could I solve the problem, if you know, please email to me wangdongmail@hotmail.com

Thanks

== Downgrade the BIOS to v1.01 ==

To the poster ("TellIT systems"?): can you explain what is the "BUG" in later versions? What is the source of this information?

Can anyone report his experience with the BIOS downgrade?

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 22:05, 26 Nov 2005 (CET)
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It seems he is talking, not about the BIOS for entry model R52/T43 models, but about the embedded-controller (EC) firmware.

As such the download link is wrong.

And yes, what is the bug that requires you to downgrade the EC firmware? Without more detail, I would be inclined to remove it.

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 02:34, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)

I looked around the German website a bit, and found this document: http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php

It does not explain anything more. As such I think the prudent thing to do is '''NOT''' backlevel your firmware, but to wait until we either have more details, or an official firmware update from Lenovo.

I will remove the Downgrade Bios piece from the main page as it is clearly wrong anyway in its current form.

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 02:45, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)
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Tonko, the ancient version numbers fooled me too, but the [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-59379 IBM page] he links to is about R52 BIOS firmware, not EC firmware. It's plausible that BIOS 1.01 didn't yet include the disk detection code, so maybe the downgrade will indeed silence the warnings. I updated the description to reflect this. Of course, the story about a "bug" is probably wrong -- if test was deliberately introduced due to broken hardware, it is unlikely to be removed in future versions.

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 20:13, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)
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Thinker, the download page he linked to, also applies to T43 entry-models.

He was saying to downgrade the BIOS from 1.03 to 1.01, but the latest BIOS is actually at 1.20, while the EC firmware is currently at 1.03, which made me think he was not talking about a BIOS downgrade, but an EC downgrade.

In any case, without more details I would strongly suggest not to downgrade your firmware as it may possibly break things. BIOS and EC for instance need to be matched typically, and it is possible that newer machines are not compatible with these older firmware releases (not sure if the flash tool will allow you to flash that far back in that case or not).

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 17:08, 28 Nov 2005 (CET)
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Agreed. Maybe the downgrade instructions date back to when BIOS 1.03 and T43 model 1xxx were the latest versions; they sure don't look good now.

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 17:21, 28 Nov 2005 (CET)
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Tell IT systems comment: The Problem anyway has solved this way - without any failures.
A newer [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-59097 BIOS Upgrade] is yet available now: Original Text of the description:
"A new BIOS setup option, that allows system startup without pressing
the ESC key on POST 2010 warning message.
Its location is 'BIOS Setup menu'->'Startup'->'Boot after message for Hard drive...'.
Note: The cause of the 2010 message is using unsupported hard drive firmware
version. Please use supported version as much as you can."

Not nice to see that IBM/Lenovo does no more support the industral standard..
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'''To Tell IT systems''': Thanks for sharing your solution, but when posting to the Wiki please respect the existing content and organization. About the new BIOS, there are already a couple of references to the new BIOS higher up in the article, so there's no need to repeat that. About the suggested BIOS downgrade, do you mean the BIOS firmware or the Embedded Controller firmware? The versions number you posted seem to match the Embedded Firmware, which has nothing to do with that message. The latest versions of the BIOS are 1.2x, not 1.0x. Also, how can you be sure that the error message is bug, rather than a warning about a true hardware problem?

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 19:17, 6 Dec 2005 (CET)
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I've update my T43 EC to 1.04 and BIOS to 1.24, although it really has an option in the BIOS that allow the system to boot when ERROR 2010.

However, I found that it really has a compatibility problem with my new Seagate 80 HDD
(ST9809211A).

Poor.....

--[[User:ecowalker|ecowalker]] 23:38:17, 17 Jan 2006 (GMT+8)
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==Seagate Momentus 7200.1==

Comments by [[User:Jbaldini|Jbaldini]]:

SUBMITTED September 1st, 2006

I can only speak for the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) listed above.

It does NOT work out of the box, and all serials have the same firmware 1.03 from Seagate (I called them). No user has reported this drive to work and users have reported that it gives the error after the IBM firmware to get it up to version 1.07. I also upgraded the firmware manually with IBM's util which you have to do because it only automatically updates if the drive contains an older "IBM" version of the firwmare. Of course with no help from the directions below or Seagate support, just upgraded the firmware based on running the Seagate util and see it's parameters listed.
To upgrade the IBM firmware the directions given on the link at the bottom were also wrong applying to the Seagate drives.
But there is no need to upgrade that drive with IBM's firm.

This drive will always cause the error for every person on one of the laptops, I bought when because this create hope and the WARNING is inaccurate as I mentioned since they all have 1.03 "out of the box" which doesn't work. Seagate knows it doesn't work.

I also performed a low level format, took between 9 and 11 hours, still didn't work. Just wanted to make sure.
Do not buy this drive for those laptops. I'm going to down grade the R52 BIOS since there are no reported problems running any ATA drive in a system like this using a SATA to PATA bridge but I'll be using a different drive. Not the 150 dollar momentus.

Hope this helps some people not make the same mistake I did. I strongly caution against purchasing any momentus for these laptops based on this experience.

Thanks,

J

UPDATE***** September 1st, 2006
Just downgraded the BIOS, not sure the limitation but it won't boot the 100GB Seagate Momentus but boots the 30GB travelstar fine which has always worked so downgraded BIOS has either drive or boot partition limitation, I really don't care which, I'm loading the new BIOS again since this downgrading was a stupid idea (by the way, Seagate recommended too) but it doesn't work for this drive. I have to say IBM or Lenovo has really disappointed on this I used to think (no pun intended) Thinkpad were solid, and it's only these goofball models, who would use a pata to sata bridge ???? just require a fricken serial 2.5 drive or use an PATA interface. Good thing I got this craptop for free.

J
----

Hello,

i bought the 100gb momentus 7200.1 although i knew there might be some problems. i've got a thinkpad t43. the drive works in a thinkpad r51 of friend of mine, so i thought "no risk, no fun". of course i received the error on startup. i updated the drive firmware with the bootable cd image of ibm/lenovo to v1.07. this did not solved the problem. then i updated the bios from 1.22 to 1.29 with the cd method. this did not solve the problem, too. then i updated the embedded controller program from 1.03 to 1.06. again, this did not solve the problem. it's possible to ignore the warning on boot, so i don't mind. i'm using this setup for a while now and there never was a problem. but i keep the original drive in an original ibm 2,5" case. if i ever sell my thinkpad, i'll sell it with the original disk to circumvent problems :)

I'm using gentoo linux, so the drive always has a lot of work when emerging things :)

Regards,
Till

== Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ==

Thinkpad R52 1860-6GG. Seagate Momentus 5400.3 (ST9120822A, 120GB, 5400RPM) also produces Error 2010. But this hard disk works without problems on Linux and pre-installed Windows XP. It is about 18MB/s faster than the pre-installed harddisk (Fujitsu MHT2060AT, 60GB, 4300RPM), according to hdparm (benchmark results from Linux and Windows XP).

* I have a ST9120821A 130GB drive, and I just popped it in my t43 2668-73U and it worked off the bat with BIOS IYET65WW (1.29). I'm running XP. Guess I lucked out - but if anyone knows of working 200GB+ drives out there that work nicely, please post! -allie

== HTS721080G9AT00 ==

It seems there is a working solution for this module:

1. Download the now well known bootable hard drive firmware CD from Lenovo - I used revision fwhd44 (fwhd44.iso):
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282
2. Boot from that CD after you burned it
3. Exit to the DOS prompt.
4. Type: (changing the letter I to a letter O essentially)
Code:
copy MC4IA51A.bdr MC4OA51A.bdr

5. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe OA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

6. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
7. After you get the FAIL message, hit a key to return to the DOS prompt
8. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe IA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

9. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
10. You should get a PASS this time and be all set.

== TOSHIBA MK1032GAX ==
I have firmware version AB211A, the version that comes with Lenovo's ISO is AB223E.
The CD says my firmware needs no update (but of course I get the 2010)
Did anyone try to use the flasher (HFUT10.EXE) to force flash with AB223E.CD2?

Comment by [[User:synthrax|Synthrax]]:

I also have a Toshiba MK1032GAX drive and tried to upgrade the firmware from AB211A to AB223E by the following procedure:

1. downloaded the firmware update utility (fwhd48.iso), burned and booted it - the utility refused to update my firmware, said it was not necessary

2. extracted the file FW.PRO from the iso and in the section Toshiba MK1032GAX 100.0GB, added the following line:
"TOSHIBA MK1032GAX","AB211A","AB223E","AB223E.CD2","HFUT10.EXE"
(this makes the utility believe that firmware AB211A is eligible for update to AB223E)

3. replaced FW.PRO in the original ISO, burned and booted the new ISO

4. now the utility showed me that there was a new firmware for my drive

5. tried to flash it, which revealed the DOS command to do this manually: "HFUT10.EXE -pm AB223E.CD2"

6. FAILED :( so i guess there's no luck with this drive and error 2010

== 160GB drives ==

Are there any drives with 160GB which work with T43?

I have a T43 (2668-NU3) Bios v.1.29 , EBC v.1.06
I replaced the oem Fujitsu 80GB drive (MHV2080AH) with a Seagate Momentus 160 GB (ST9160821A retail kit)
The 2010 error comes up but other than that, the drive boots XP flawlessly.

--[[User:Technomax|Technomax]] 20:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a R52 (Model 1860) Bios v.1.29 , EBC v.1.06 Im also using the
Seagate Momentus 160 GB (ST9160821A, FW 3.ALE). The 2010 comes up, but works like a charm other
than that. I bought the HD over at http://www.alternate.de/ and they still had plenty of them
in stock (April 2009). So, if youre in Germany, go and get one while its still there.

Here is the exact link (might be dead when the hd is sold out): http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Festplatten_2,5_Zoll_IDE/Seagate/ST9160821A_160_GB/147323/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Festplatten&l2=IDE&l3=2%2C5+Zoll

-- [[User:daniel|daniel]], April 2009

I have a t43 2668-73u with a 130gb ST9120821a, and it worked right off the bat. I have bios 1.29 and XP. --allie

--[[User:KoshkinK|Koshkink]] 14:40, 4 Dec 2007 (GMT+3)

I have a T43 2668-H2G with a Seagate Momentus 160 GB and XP pro. I downgrade bios to version 1.02. All work fine : no error
messages.

--[[User:daviduxe|daviduxe]] 18:51, 25 Aug 2008 (GMT+3)
Even bigger drives
250GB drives, 7200 RPM

Hi all, hard drives have again lowered in price. This Western Digital Scorpio Black WD2500BEKT 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Notebook Hard Drive is now really cheap on newegg. Does anyone know a way to tell if a harddrive will work on the t43 without actually buying it, or does anyone have a drive with similar specifications to this one?
Thanks in advance.

---

Easy. The T43 only takes PATA drives. There, you have it: it doesn't work.

--[[User:Hmh|hmh]] 02:22, 26 August 2008 (CEST)

== HTS726060M9AT00 ==
I just ordered this drive for a T43, and it works with the new Lenovo firmware. The CD can be downloaded from here: [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282]. It works perfectly, and there are no update issues.

--[[User:Cosgrove|Cosgrove]] 20:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2009-04-02T21:54:09Z

Daniel2342: /* 160GB drives */

I replaced my R52's Hard disk by ST9100823A 100G/5400, when the system stared, it shows error information.

How could I solve the problem, if you know, please email to me wangdongmail@hotmail.com

Thanks

== Downgrade the BIOS to v1.01 ==

To the poster ("TellIT systems"?): can you explain what is the "BUG" in later versions? What is the source of this information?

Can anyone report his experience with the BIOS downgrade?

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 22:05, 26 Nov 2005 (CET)
----

It seems he is talking, not about the BIOS for entry model R52/T43 models, but about the embedded-controller (EC) firmware.

As such the download link is wrong.

And yes, what is the bug that requires you to downgrade the EC firmware? Without more detail, I would be inclined to remove it.

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 02:34, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)

I looked around the German website a bit, and found this document: http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php

It does not explain anything more. As such I think the prudent thing to do is '''NOT''' backlevel your firmware, but to wait until we either have more details, or an official firmware update from Lenovo.

I will remove the Downgrade Bios piece from the main page as it is clearly wrong anyway in its current form.

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 02:45, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)
----

Tonko, the ancient version numbers fooled me too, but the [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-59379 IBM page] he links to is about R52 BIOS firmware, not EC firmware. It's plausible that BIOS 1.01 didn't yet include the disk detection code, so maybe the downgrade will indeed silence the warnings. I updated the description to reflect this. Of course, the story about a "bug" is probably wrong -- if test was deliberately introduced due to broken hardware, it is unlikely to be removed in future versions.

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 20:13, 27 Nov 2005 (CET)
----

Thinker, the download page he linked to, also applies to T43 entry-models.

He was saying to downgrade the BIOS from 1.03 to 1.01, but the latest BIOS is actually at 1.20, while the EC firmware is currently at 1.03, which made me think he was not talking about a BIOS downgrade, but an EC downgrade.

In any case, without more details I would strongly suggest not to downgrade your firmware as it may possibly break things. BIOS and EC for instance need to be matched typically, and it is possible that newer machines are not compatible with these older firmware releases (not sure if the flash tool will allow you to flash that far back in that case or not).

--[[User:Tonko|Tonko]] 17:08, 28 Nov 2005 (CET)
----

Agreed. Maybe the downgrade instructions date back to when BIOS 1.03 and T43 model 1xxx were the latest versions; they sure don't look good now.

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 17:21, 28 Nov 2005 (CET)
----

Tell IT systems comment: The Problem anyway has solved this way - without any failures.
A newer [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-59097 BIOS Upgrade] is yet available now: Original Text of the description:
"A new BIOS setup option, that allows system startup without pressing
the ESC key on POST 2010 warning message.
Its location is 'BIOS Setup menu'->'Startup'->'Boot after message for Hard drive...'.
Note: The cause of the 2010 message is using unsupported hard drive firmware
version. Please use supported version as much as you can."

Not nice to see that IBM/Lenovo does no more support the industral standard..
----

'''To Tell IT systems''': Thanks for sharing your solution, but when posting to the Wiki please respect the existing content and organization. About the new BIOS, there are already a couple of references to the new BIOS higher up in the article, so there's no need to repeat that. About the suggested BIOS downgrade, do you mean the BIOS firmware or the Embedded Controller firmware? The versions number you posted seem to match the Embedded Firmware, which has nothing to do with that message. The latest versions of the BIOS are 1.2x, not 1.0x. Also, how can you be sure that the error message is bug, rather than a warning about a true hardware problem?

--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 19:17, 6 Dec 2005 (CET)
----

I've update my T43 EC to 1.04 and BIOS to 1.24, although it really has an option in the BIOS that allow the system to boot when ERROR 2010.

However, I found that it really has a compatibility problem with my new Seagate 80 HDD
(ST9809211A).

Poor.....

--[[User:ecowalker|ecowalker]] 23:38:17, 17 Jan 2006 (GMT+8)
----

==Seagate Momentus 7200.1==

Comments by [[User:Jbaldini|Jbaldini]]:

SUBMITTED September 1st, 2006

I can only speak for the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) listed above.

It does NOT work out of the box, and all serials have the same firmware 1.03 from Seagate (I called them). No user has reported this drive to work and users have reported that it gives the error after the IBM firmware to get it up to version 1.07. I also upgraded the firmware manually with IBM's util which you have to do because it only automatically updates if the drive contains an older "IBM" version of the firwmare. Of course with no help from the directions below or Seagate support, just upgraded the firmware based on running the Seagate util and see it's parameters listed.
To upgrade the IBM firmware the directions given on the link at the bottom were also wrong applying to the Seagate drives.
But there is no need to upgrade that drive with IBM's firm.

This drive will always cause the error for every person on one of the laptops, I bought when because this create hope and the WARNING is inaccurate as I mentioned since they all have 1.03 "out of the box" which doesn't work. Seagate knows it doesn't work.

I also performed a low level format, took between 9 and 11 hours, still didn't work. Just wanted to make sure.
Do not buy this drive for those laptops. I'm going to down grade the R52 BIOS since there are no reported problems running any ATA drive in a system like this using a SATA to PATA bridge but I'll be using a different drive. Not the 150 dollar momentus.

Hope this helps some people not make the same mistake I did. I strongly caution against purchasing any momentus for these laptops based on this experience.

Thanks,

J

UPDATE***** September 1st, 2006
Just downgraded the BIOS, not sure the limitation but it won't boot the 100GB Seagate Momentus but boots the 30GB travelstar fine which has always worked so downgraded BIOS has either drive or boot partition limitation, I really don't care which, I'm loading the new BIOS again since this downgrading was a stupid idea (by the way, Seagate recommended too) but it doesn't work for this drive. I have to say IBM or Lenovo has really disappointed on this I used to think (no pun intended) Thinkpad were solid, and it's only these goofball models, who would use a pata to sata bridge ???? just require a fricken serial 2.5 drive or use an PATA interface. Good thing I got this craptop for free.

J
----

Hello,

i bought the 100gb momentus 7200.1 although i knew there might be some problems. i've got a thinkpad t43. the drive works in a thinkpad r51 of friend of mine, so i thought "no risk, no fun". of course i received the error on startup. i updated the drive firmware with the bootable cd image of ibm/lenovo to v1.07. this did not solved the problem. then i updated the bios from 1.22 to 1.29 with the cd method. this did not solve the problem, too. then i updated the embedded controller program from 1.03 to 1.06. again, this did not solve the problem. it's possible to ignore the warning on boot, so i don't mind. i'm using this setup for a while now and there never was a problem. but i keep the original drive in an original ibm 2,5" case. if i ever sell my thinkpad, i'll sell it with the original disk to circumvent problems :)

I'm using gentoo linux, so the drive always has a lot of work when emerging things :)

Regards,
Till

== Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ==

Thinkpad R52 1860-6GG. Seagate Momentus 5400.3 (ST9120822A, 120GB, 5400RPM) also produces Error 2010. But this hard disk works without problems on Linux and pre-installed Windows XP. It is about 18MB/s faster than the pre-installed harddisk (Fujitsu MHT2060AT, 60GB, 4300RPM), according to hdparm (benchmark results from Linux and Windows XP).

* I have a ST9120821A 130GB drive, and I just popped it in my t43 2668-73U and it worked off the bat with BIOS IYET65WW (1.29). I'm running XP. Guess I lucked out - but if anyone knows of working 200GB+ drives out there that work nicely, please post! -allie

== HTS721080G9AT00 ==

It seems there is a working solution for this module:

1. Download the now well known bootable hard drive firmware CD from Lenovo - I used revision fwhd44 (fwhd44.iso):
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282
2. Boot from that CD after you burned it
3. Exit to the DOS prompt.
4. Type: (changing the letter I to a letter O essentially)
Code:
copy MC4IA51A.bdr MC4OA51A.bdr

5. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe OA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

6. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
7. After you get the FAIL message, hit a key to return to the DOS prompt
8. Type:
Code:
hfui15.exe IA51A MC41IA51.bdr /F mpcA5IAb.tbl

9. Hit "U" in the flash program to start
10. You should get a PASS this time and be all set.

== TOSHIBA MK1032GAX ==
I have firmware version AB211A, the version that comes with Lenovo's ISO is AB223E.
The CD says my firmware needs no update (but of course I get the 2010)
Did anyone try to use the flasher (HFUT10.EXE) to force flash with AB223E.CD2?

Comment by [[User:synthrax|Synthrax]]:

I also have a Toshiba MK1032GAX drive and tried to upgrade the firmware from AB211A to AB223E by the following procedure:

1. downloaded the firmware update utility (fwhd48.iso), burned and booted it - the utility refused to update my firmware, said it was not necessary

2. extracted the file FW.PRO from the iso and in the section Toshiba MK1032GAX 100.0GB, added the following line:
"TOSHIBA MK1032GAX","AB211A","AB223E","AB223E.CD2","HFUT10.EXE"
(this makes the utility believe that firmware AB211A is eligible for update to AB223E)

3. replaced FW.PRO in the original ISO, burned and booted the new ISO

4. now the utility showed me that there was a new firmware for my drive

5. tried to flash it, which revealed the DOS command to do this manually: "HFUT10.EXE -pm AB223E.CD2"

6. FAILED :( so i guess there's no luck with this drive and error 2010

== 160GB drives ==

Are there any drives with 160GB which work with T43?

I have a T43 (2668-NU3) Bios v.1.29 , EBC v.1.06
I replaced the oem Fujitsu 80GB drive (MHV2080AH) with a Seagate Momentus 160 GB (ST9160821A retail kit)
The 2010 error comes up but other than that, the drive boots XP flawlessly.

--[[User:Technomax|Technomax]] 20:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a R52 (Model 1860) Bios v.1.29 , EBC v.1.06 Im also using the
Seagate Momentus 160 GB (ST9160821A, FW 3.ALE). The 2010 comes up, but works like a charm other
than that. I bought the HD over at http://www.alternate.de/ and they still had plenty of them
in stock (April 2009). So, if youre in Germany, go and get one while its still there.

-- daniel, April 2009

I have a t43 2668-73u with a 130gb ST9120821a, and it worked right off the bat. I have bios 1.29 and XP. --allie

--[[User:KoshkinK|Koshkink]] 14:40, 4 Dec 2007 (GMT+3)

I have a T43 2668-H2G with a Seagate Momentus 160 GB and XP pro. I downgrade bios to version 1.02. All work fine : no error
messages.

--[[User:daviduxe|daviduxe]] 18:51, 25 Aug 2008 (GMT+3)
Even bigger drives
250GB drives, 7200 RPM

Hi all, hard drives have again lowered in price. This Western Digital Scorpio Black WD2500BEKT 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Notebook Hard Drive is now really cheap on newegg. Does anyone know a way to tell if a harddrive will work on the t43 without actually buying it, or does anyone have a drive with similar specifications to this one?
Thanks in advance.

---

Easy. The T43 only takes PATA drives. There, you have it: it doesn't work.

--[[User:Hmh|hmh]] 02:22, 26 August 2008 (CEST)

== HTS726060M9AT00 ==
I just ordered this drive for a T43, and it works with the new Lenovo firmware. The CD can be downloaded from here: [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282]. It works perfectly, and there are no update issues.

--[[User:Cosgrove|Cosgrove]] 20:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks

2009-04-02T21:49:39Z

Daniel2342: added R52 for Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM) (see discussion page)

==Problem Description==

When replacing the system disk with one that is not a ThinkPad option designed for the specific model, the BIOS will display an "Error 2010" warning during every boot. The system may still boot successfully, but may be unreliable or slow.

Additionally, the following ATA commands are implemented by ThinkPad-branded drives but are not supported by most other laptop drives:
* <tt>UNLOAD IMMEDIATE</tt> (needed for the [[Active Protection System]]; see [[Problem with APS harddisk parking]])
* <tt>SECURITY FEATURE SET</tt> (needed for disk password protection)

==Affected Models==
The "Error 2010" issue exists only on the following models:
* ThinkPad {{T43}}, {{T43p}}
* ThinkPad {{R52}}
* ThinkPad {{X41}}, {{X41T}}

Missing ATA commands affect all ThinkPad models which normally offer these features.

==Affected Operating Systems==

The reliability and performance issues depend on the operating system. They have been reported for Windows. It is not clear to what degree Linux is susceptible.

==Status==

The error is displayed when the system drive is not one of the few approved disks listed inside the BIOS, and may indicate a real problem. These systems have a SATA disk controller, and employ a SATA-to-PATA bridge in order to use PATA (IDE) drives. It is rumored that this bridge requires changes in the drive firmware, and the BIOS checks for this adapted firmware.

Recent BIOSs provide the option to disable the need to press Esc after the message (for ThinkPad {{T43}} models 26xx, BIOS version [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-58597#bios 1.24 or higher]).

There are no such issues for disks used in the UltraBay Slim 2nd Hard Drive Adapter.

* [http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?&lndocid=MIGR-60169 IBM problem discussion]

==Solutions==

===Disable the message===

A recent BIOS for your machine may provide the option to disable need to press Esc after the message (under <tt>Startup -> Boot after message for Hard drive...</tt>). However, the delay and beeps are still enforced. Note that the error message could indicate a real problem, which will not be resolved by disabling the message.

===Use dedicated ThinkPad option parts===

Use a ThinkPad-branded option drive listed as designed for your specific ThinkPad Model.

===Upgrade the drive firmware===

IBM provides firmware upgrades ([http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41008 old], [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282 new]) for some of its option drives to make them compatible with the affected ThinkPad models. The upgrades are available only for certain drive models, and may work only when the drive is sold as an IBM options (see below). Most drives do not have such upgrades, and some manufacturers have refused to adapt their firmware to the limitations of ThinkPad systems.

Unfortunately, not all firmware revisions will work even if the model is listed on the IBM firmware upgrade page. There is a (not so easy) workaround if you have such a drive, but be aware that your drive HAS TO BE one of the listed models. See the [[Example of an update on a drive with unsupported firmware]].

====Drives that work out of the box====
* Seagate ST9120821A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST980825A (80GB 7200RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]; see [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=195619#195619 here] too).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A (160GB 5400RPM) with firmware 3.ALE on T43 and R52 with BIOS 1.29 and EC 1.06. The infamous 2010-error comes up during bootup, but the drive works fine and hdapsd can issue unload immediate to the drive.
* Fujitsu MHV2040AH (040GB 5400RPM) this is the default disk for T43s
* Fujitsu MHV2060AH (060GB 5400RPM)
* Fujitsu MHV2100AH (100GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.23
* Fujitsu MHV2120AH (120GB 5400RPM) on T43 with BIOS 1.27 and R52 with BIOS 1.29

For a list of drives that provide the UNLOAD IMMEDIATE feature needed for [[HDAPS]] (whether or not they trigger the 2010 error), see [[Problem with APS harddisk parking]].

{{WARN|Even drives with identical part numbers may carry firmware with different compatibility status, so do not blindly rely on this list.}}

====Drives that will work after a firmware update====
Note that Windows is necessary for the firmware update, but may not boot before the firmware update is applied. Therefore a second machine or an Ultrabay HDD adapter may be required for the update.

* Fujitsu MHT2080AH (80GB 5400RPM), using [http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/fwhd3318.exe this firmware update]
* Hitachi 5K100 and 7K100 drives using [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 this instructions]. This has been verified and seems to work correctly on all drives if applied in the right way.
* Hitachi Travelstar HTS726060M9AT00 (Lenovo version), using this firmware CD: [http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62282]

This picture is showing two identical drives, one docked into the ultrabay (not updated) and the other one in the primary slot showing up with the IBM ("I") and not the OEM firmware.
[[Image:Updated_drive.jpg]]

====Drives which produce an error and are not known to have working firmware====
* Hitachi DJSA-220
* Hitachi HTS726060M9AT00 (non-Lenovo version)
* Seagate ST9100823A (100GB 5400RPM)
* Seagate Momentus 7200.1 ST910021A (100GB 7200RPM) (one user reports [http://stderr.org/pipermail/thinkpad/2006-May/021869.html success], another reports [[Talk:Problem with non-ThinkPad hard disks#Seagate_Momentus_7200.1|failure]]).
* Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9120822A (120GB 5400RPM)
* Samsung HM160JC (5400RPM 160GB M80)

The following drives have firmware updates, but the firmware update software has been reported to refuse updates for no obvious reason:

* Hitachi HTS548080M9AT00 (80GB 5400RPM)
* Hitachi HTS541080G9AT00
* Toshiba MK4019GAX (40GB 5400RPM)
* Toshiba MK1032GAX (100GB 5400RPM)

It has been [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?p=101863#101863 reported] that for Hitachi drives, firmware update is possible only with drives manufactured for IBM. Other Hitachi drives may use PROM instead of EPROM for the firmware and thus cannot be updated.

===Use an Ultrabay adapter===

You can use most PATA drives through an [[UltraBay Slim HDD Adapter]] (or the equivalent for your system or docking station). This can be a convenient configuration to use the second HD as a data drive. Another useful configuration is having the second drive bootable to a different OS, since it insulates you from many, though not necessarily all dual boot problems related to multiple OSs on the same physical volume. Most modern BIOS provides a boot manager function ahead of any OS load, so the "alternate" OS need not even know that another OS is present. In the case of the T43, installing the second OS onto a drive in the 2nd HDD Adapter is problematic since that bay is where the CDROM/DVDROM normally sits, so some extraordinary procedure is needed. This might be from a bootable USB-connected CDROM/DVDROM or a network source if your OS supports it; it may also be possible to mount the CDROM/DVDROM in a dock and do the install from there. Be careful of OS installations or disk management functions that attempt to write identification information to the disk that isn't theirs.

===BIOS downgrade===

''Tell IT systems'' is claiming that a BIOS downgrade to v1.01 will solve the problem, and provide [http://www.tell-it.ch/harddisk.php instructions] (which, incidentally, copy portions of this page in violation of copyright). The instructions are specific to certain ThinkPad {{R52}} and T43-1xxx models. A similar report is made [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=13113#112153 here]. '''This procedure is not recommended'''. It requires downgrading to an ancient BIOS version, which may have adverse effects. Also, while the old BIOS version may not include the code to generate the warning, the underlying problem will probably still exist. See the [[Talk:Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks#Downgrade_the_BIOS_to_v1.01|discussion page]].

==Links==

* Discussion about [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=11059 Problems with non-thinkpad option drives on T43 thinkpads] at thinkpads.com.

* Guide on [http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=20858 flashing a retail HD to IBM official FW] at thinkpads.com. ''Follow this guide at your own risk although some people have reported that it works''.

* New guide for flashing retail Hitachi drives [http://hdsurvivor.blogspot.com/2007/08/lenovo-hard-drive-upgrade-and-error.html Lenovo Hard Drive Upgrade and Error 2010] at [http://hdsurvivor.blogspot.com/ Helpdesk when Helpdesk wasn't Cool]. This quide uses newer firmware available from Lenovo and works with the 7K100 model drive.