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You added back the documentation link for most of the northbridges that I have edited, but it links to the entire set of devices that the northbridge is supposed to be paired with. Was the documentation link supposed to be a link to the northbridge's datasheet, or was it supposed to cover everything the northbridge was supposed to be paired with?
 
You added back the documentation link for most of the northbridges that I have edited, but it links to the entire set of devices that the northbridge is supposed to be paired with. Was the documentation link supposed to be a link to the northbridge's datasheet, or was it supposed to cover everything the northbridge was supposed to be paired with?
  
Also, the R50's link that points to its driver resource, is [http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-55029 dead]. At least, on my end. And I could compensate for my 'butchering' by adding a driver link for every ThinkPad's page I edit, if you wish.
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Also, the R51's link that points to its driver resource, is [http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-55029 dead]. At least, on my end. And I could compensate for my 'butchering' by adding a driver link for every ThinkPad's page I edit, if you wish.
  
 
I had also noticed that you shifted the docking solutions to the Miscellaneous subcategory, which in my opinion, looks out of place. I could just create a another subcategory dedicated for the docks, and maybe that would look better. Your thoughts?
 
I had also noticed that you shifted the docking solutions to the Miscellaneous subcategory, which in my opinion, looks out of place. I could just create a another subcategory dedicated for the docks, and maybe that would look better. Your thoughts?
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Now, I believe I should tell you my reasons for editing and removing some of that information that you deem important. Most of it has some irrelevant pointers, such as the northbridges' documentation that points to everything that it is supposed to be paired with. What I thought was the northbridge itself, which is why I replaced them with the datasheet. I assume that we have a disagreement here, right?
 
Now, I believe I should tell you my reasons for editing and removing some of that information that you deem important. Most of it has some irrelevant pointers, such as the northbridges' documentation that points to everything that it is supposed to be paired with. What I thought was the northbridge itself, which is why I replaced them with the datasheet. I assume that we have a disagreement here, right?
  
And for additional compensation for my continued 'butchering' for the past 3 or 5 days, I will try to list as much information as I can get for the southbridges and the northbridges. Such as some rather strange specifications, the AGP bus speed, and the companion southbridge it is paired with. Maybe the thermal design power rating too, but I doubt that helps anyone with anything software-related.
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There are a lot of things that needs to be done on my part, and I would definitely like to come with an agreement with you on everything I edit.
 
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There is a lot of things that needs to be done on my part, and I would definitely like to come with an agreement with you on everything I edit.
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I took a longer look at your edit on the R51's page, and I tried to get the link to work, but to no avail. I have one simple question for you: what is the purpose of keeping links that are dead?
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I also took some time to browse around your contributions, some of them which are directly related to how I remove 'useful' information. Especially, the edits involving [[User:SunCatalyst]]. While he does remove some actual bits that are useful and do definitely help people, I noticed that he tries to make things look proper and not messy with detail everywhere. Organized, in a different word. One demonstration of that consistency update he does, is the previous revision of the T30's page.
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Removed images and all that, yes. But why re-add the images; what purpose do they serve? What kind of help can they give to other people browsing this site for help? All information, is not always necessarily useful and helpful. To get one example that you have displayed: the northbridge's thermal design power rating.
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Are you a hardware designer by any chance? Because, that might be the reason why you found it 'useful', whereas I found it useless. There are too little uses I can find for thermal design power ratings, for a northbridge that is. The only helpful thing it will give to anyone, is just an estimation on how much heat it will dissipate in watts. Would there be any use of such a rating, especially on devices that do not produce as much heat as a processor would?
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No hard feelings here, I am just rather interested in how you find these useful. From my perspective, I try to look at it from a person who would not have a clue on how it helps them.
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:What do you have ''against'' information?  Power consumption of chipset is good to know.  I ponder computer systems, their power budget, how much I/O was squeezed into how much space and how much power does it take to operate.  It is useful information to one who wants to build a battery pack, for estimating power needed.  I disagree with your opinion: "The processors are definitely going to need some thermal design power ratings listed, but for a northbridge?".  I think you are plain wrong, and loopy.
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:Resource location, is useful information.  Use your imagination.  Imagine that, somebody has a personal stash/archive of old Web pages.  I could ask that somebody, "Did you save a copy of this:old:explicit:resource?", and that somebody could say "yes" or "no".  Resources presented with [[Template:IBMDOCURL]] are especially valuable, because they are named/numbered resources.  Unlike URLs which can move and be "dead", those resources have an IBM Document ID, can be referenced regardless of path/location.
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:I "fell in love" with IBM, because they provided much documentation and other supporting literature.  Removing mention of their support resources, makes me sad.  It is erasing a legacy.  Regardless of how you or I feel, this is a public-access wiki, not a private scrapbook.  You can delete whatever you please from your personal holding.  All Content of this wiki was placed here by someone.  Removing non-harmful content is not nice. --[[User:Numeric|Numeric]] ([[User talk:Numeric|talk]]) 19:59, 20 November 2018 (CET)
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::I have nothing against information, just ones that I feel which is out of 'place'. And may I remind you that [https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/white-paper/resources-xeon-measuring-processor-power-paper.pdf TDP is not a measurement of power consumption?] Quoting from that .pdf, Intel's definition is: 'The upper point of the thermal profile consists of the Thermal Design Power (TDP) and the associated Tcase value. Thermal Design Power (TDP) should be used for processor thermal solution design targets. TDP is not the maximum power that the processor can dissipate. TDP is measured at maximum TCASE'. Did you notice something that does not relate to power consumption? I do, and the key phrase is 'maximum power that the processor can dissipate'. This implies that the TDP is a measurement of how much power can a chip dissipate, not how much power can it consume. Although, I do see what you mean about the power properties of the chipset. That is something I'd agree with, and is fine with me. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
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::Understandable, but can we come to an agreement that the R51's MIGR link is actually dead? And with that, it means I have the permission to remove it, as it is no longer in existence?
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::Never knew that, I suppose I'll also take that into account. Well, I won't touch any of their MIGR links anymore, since it seems to be something that can be put to use. Additionally, if there is some information that comes up as 'useless' to me, I'll just keep it as it is from now onwards. Your opinion and insight of this is very helpful for me, and for that, I thank you for at least telling me what I needed to know.--[[User:Bugmenot2|Bugmenot2]] ([[User talk:Bugmenot2|talk]]) 13:00, 22 November 2018 (CET)

Latest revision as of 13:00, 22 November 2018

Dead links, and some important information query

I know that I may have mistakenly gotten rid of some actually useful information, which was a bad move on my part. I understand, and I am sincerely sorry for that. But first, could you explain why is the thermal design power rating of a northbridge useful?

The processors are definitely going to need some thermal design power ratings listed, but for a northbridge? There must be a reason, and I would like to know and understand why.

You added back the documentation link for most of the northbridges that I have edited, but it links to the entire set of devices that the northbridge is supposed to be paired with. Was the documentation link supposed to be a link to the northbridge's datasheet, or was it supposed to cover everything the northbridge was supposed to be paired with?

Also, the R51's link that points to its driver resource, is dead. At least, on my end. And I could compensate for my 'butchering' by adding a driver link for every ThinkPad's page I edit, if you wish.

I had also noticed that you shifted the docking solutions to the Miscellaneous subcategory, which in my opinion, looks out of place. I could just create a another subcategory dedicated for the docks, and maybe that would look better. Your thoughts?

Now, I believe I should tell you my reasons for editing and removing some of that information that you deem important. Most of it has some irrelevant pointers, such as the northbridges' documentation that points to everything that it is supposed to be paired with. What I thought was the northbridge itself, which is why I replaced them with the datasheet. I assume that we have a disagreement here, right?

There are a lot of things that needs to be done on my part, and I would definitely like to come with an agreement with you on everything I edit.

Thanks.


I took a longer look at your edit on the R51's page, and I tried to get the link to work, but to no avail. I have one simple question for you: what is the purpose of keeping links that are dead?

I also took some time to browse around your contributions, some of them which are directly related to how I remove 'useful' information. Especially, the edits involving User:SunCatalyst. While he does remove some actual bits that are useful and do definitely help people, I noticed that he tries to make things look proper and not messy with detail everywhere. Organized, in a different word. One demonstration of that consistency update he does, is the previous revision of the T30's page.

Removed images and all that, yes. But why re-add the images; what purpose do they serve? What kind of help can they give to other people browsing this site for help? All information, is not always necessarily useful and helpful. To get one example that you have displayed: the northbridge's thermal design power rating.

Are you a hardware designer by any chance? Because, that might be the reason why you found it 'useful', whereas I found it useless. There are too little uses I can find for thermal design power ratings, for a northbridge that is. The only helpful thing it will give to anyone, is just an estimation on how much heat it will dissipate in watts. Would there be any use of such a rating, especially on devices that do not produce as much heat as a processor would?

No hard feelings here, I am just rather interested in how you find these useful. From my perspective, I try to look at it from a person who would not have a clue on how it helps them.

What do you have against information? Power consumption of chipset is good to know. I ponder computer systems, their power budget, how much I/O was squeezed into how much space and how much power does it take to operate. It is useful information to one who wants to build a battery pack, for estimating power needed. I disagree with your opinion: "The processors are definitely going to need some thermal design power ratings listed, but for a northbridge?". I think you are plain wrong, and loopy.
Resource location, is useful information. Use your imagination. Imagine that, somebody has a personal stash/archive of old Web pages. I could ask that somebody, "Did you save a copy of this:old:explicit:resource?", and that somebody could say "yes" or "no". Resources presented with Template:IBMDOCURL are especially valuable, because they are named/numbered resources. Unlike URLs which can move and be "dead", those resources have an IBM Document ID, can be referenced regardless of path/location.
I "fell in love" with IBM, because they provided much documentation and other supporting literature. Removing mention of their support resources, makes me sad. It is erasing a legacy. Regardless of how you or I feel, this is a public-access wiki, not a private scrapbook. You can delete whatever you please from your personal holding. All Content of this wiki was placed here by someone. Removing non-harmful content is not nice. --Numeric (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2018 (CET)
I have nothing against information, just ones that I feel which is out of 'place'. And may I remind you that TDP is not a measurement of power consumption? Quoting from that .pdf, Intel's definition is: 'The upper point of the thermal profile consists of the Thermal Design Power (TDP) and the associated Tcase value. Thermal Design Power (TDP) should be used for processor thermal solution design targets. TDP is not the maximum power that the processor can dissipate. TDP is measured at maximum TCASE'. Did you notice something that does not relate to power consumption? I do, and the key phrase is 'maximum power that the processor can dissipate'. This implies that the TDP is a measurement of how much power can a chip dissipate, not how much power can it consume. Although, I do see what you mean about the power properties of the chipset. That is something I'd agree with, and is fine with me. I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
Understandable, but can we come to an agreement that the R51's MIGR link is actually dead? And with that, it means I have the permission to remove it, as it is no longer in existence?
Never knew that, I suppose I'll also take that into account. Well, I won't touch any of their MIGR links anymore, since it seems to be something that can be put to use. Additionally, if there is some information that comes up as 'useless' to me, I'll just keep it as it is from now onwards. Your opinion and insight of this is very helpful for me, and for that, I thank you for at least telling me what I needed to know.--Bugmenot2 (talk) 13:00, 22 November 2018 (CET)